generalpl4gue
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Post by generalpl4gue on Sept 12, 2019 14:12:40 GMT -5
Have you heard about D. Sebastião, the great Portugal king that dissapeared in a crusade in North Africa, and become a folkloric character in all Portuguese world?  |
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Post by Windischer on Sept 12, 2019 14:23:26 GMT -5
No, but I like historic kings who turned into myths. Please tell us more about him!
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Post by generalpl4gue on Sept 12, 2019 15:03:56 GMT -5
Well. Lets start!
D. Sebastião , from Avis House reigned in Portugal during 1557-1578. He was son of Don Manuel, the great Portugal King that discovered Brazil, and D. Maria form Austria. He Became King with only 3years old, in 1557. He was a fervent catholic, and at the age of 22 he decided to engange in "Africa jouney" a crusade in North Africa to kick out muslims that were living there since the Arab expansionism in VII century. Filipe II from Spain ( THE GREAT SPANISH EMPEROR) refused to send his troops, so D. Sebastião send his. And more, he went to cordinate personally cordinate his troops. During a Battle called Alcacer Qibir, all portuguese troops were defeated and D. Sebastião were lost.
Avis house disappeared and than Portugal throne was occupied by Filipe II, creating the Iberical Union.
D. Sebastião ruled with kindness and a lot of love with his peasants. Until his disappearance, Portugal started to think that D. Sebastião would return, believing he was alive. He would return and retake the Portugal Throne.
And it became a cultural thing, because people wait untill now the great return of D. Sebastião. It's called Sebastianism.
Some people say that Sebastião died and went to heaven, taking care of all his people; Others say that Sebastião was in a Brazilian islands, and he wait until a real need arise to retake the Portuguese and Brazilian Throne; Other says that he definitly died and he will reencarnate in a great leader. An example, some Brazilian said that Lula was D. Sebastião, because he raised Brazil again ( i dont agree with it).
So, we keep going without our great King. And we wait hopefully for D. Sebastião arrive. He will come from the sea, because we lusitans, sons of Camoes, we are born in the sea and we will rest in the eternity with sea, untill pur great King come to raise our glory again.
A Portugese poem (translated):
O salty sea, how much of thy salt
They are tears of Portugal!
Because we crossed you, how many mothers wept,
How many children prayed in vain!
How many brides were married
That you should be ours, oh sea!
Worth it? Everything is worth
If the soul is not small.
Who wants to pass beyond Bojador
You have to go beyond pain.
God overboard the danger and the abyss gave,
But in him it mirrored the sky.
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Post by Windischer on Sept 12, 2019 15:59:05 GMT -5
Poor Sebastiaõ. This reminds me of other similar cases among European nations, although unlike Sebastiaõ, who might be on a far away island, they have sleeping kings. Like King Arthur, who is asleep in Avalon. The German King Frederick Barbarossa and our King Matjaž (based on the real Hungarian King Mathias Korvin) sleep in a cave until their country needs them really bad or in the case of King Matjaž, he will awaken when his beard grows nine times around the stone table at which he sleeps, whichever happens sooner.
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Post by generalpl4gue on Sept 12, 2019 16:21:40 GMT -5
Poor Sebastiaõ. This reminds me of other similar cases among European nations, although unlike Sebastiaõ, who might be on a far away island, they have sleeping kings. Like King Arthur, who is asleep in Avalon. The German King Frederick Barbarossa and our King Matjaž (based on the real Hungarian King Mathias Korvin) sleep in a cave until their country needs them really bad or in the case of King Matjaž, he will awaken when his beard grows nine times around the stone table at which he sleeps, whichever happens sooner. It seems like Europeans (and brazilians) have the same culture, that a King is so great that he will come back to reign again. About Sebastianism, it created some dead-lock situations. Many lords of Portugal and peasants believed that D. Sebastião would return and, in this case, we need to let out throne vacant. It created a lot of trouble, but finally Portugal selected a new house to reign, the house of Bragança. But the myth behind D. Sebastião still in our culture. |
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Post by Windischer on Sept 12, 2019 16:44:29 GMT -5
Oh certainly, we share a lot of common things, more than we are aware of.
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Post by The Duchess on Sept 12, 2019 21:34:28 GMT -5
Poor Sebastiaõ. This reminds me of other similar cases among European nations, although unlike Sebastiaõ, who might be on a far away island, they have sleeping kings. Like King Arthur, who is asleep in Avalon. The German King Frederick Barbarossa and our King Matjaž (based on the real Hungarian King Mathias Korvin) sleep in a cave until their country needs them really bad or in the case of King Matjaž, he will awaken when his beard grows nine times around the stone table at which he sleeps, whichever happens sooner. Emphasis mine.
Reminds me of the legendary part of Owain Glyndŵr. Even though he was alive in the reign of Henry IV, should Wales ever find itself in dire straits, Owain will magically reappear and help his country. As someone with considerable Welsh ancestry, I'll make it my duty to track him down.
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Post by Octavio on Sept 13, 2019 8:36:45 GMT -5
 Following Plague's example, there's another interesting King of Portugal, Pedro I "The Crude". If you're interested I can talk a bit more about him, since he's my second favorite King of Portugal. |
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Post by Windischer on Sept 13, 2019 12:51:22 GMT -5
Following Plague's example, there's another interesting King of Portugal, Pedro I "The Crude". If you're interested I can talk a bit more about him, since he's my second favorite King of Portugal. Feel free to do so, it is afterall the thread about Portuguese history. |
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Post by Earl of Rochester on Sept 13, 2019 14:09:49 GMT -5
It's interesting that he went to North Africa to crusade. I wonder why other European nations didn't go there? Many went to the crusades in Jerusalem and Prussia had the Teutonic crusades, why did Spain and France or Italy not attack North Africa on crusade?
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