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Post by generalpl4gue on Sept 11, 2019 8:41:50 GMT -5
Hello my dear friends. I will show you some songs that help us to undestand better some historical events. I will start with Paraguay War (Tripple Alliance War), that we still discussing in Military History section. The official page of Armahda made a great explanation, so I'll just copy it! Iron Duke, from Armahda- Battle of Itororó (December 6th, 1868) During the Triple Alliance war against Paraguay, the Brazilian campaign for the conquest of Assuncion became known as Dezembrada. After going through the border town of St. Helena (state of Paraná), Brazilian imperial troops entered the foreign territory by the city of Santo Antonio. Across the bridge of Itororó river was the Paraguayan army, commanded by the great General Bernardino Caballero. He owned infantry battalions and cavalry regiments, a total of 6,000 men, and 12 cannons. After several investees, the Brazilian army was greatly weakened. There were many seriously wounded fighters and a large number of deaths, including several officers. The general commander, Marquis Luís Alves de Lima e Silva (65 years old), who became known as The Iron Duke, and Duke of Caxias, ordered the march towards the enemy. He was in the front line with his horse, and shouted "Follow me the ones who are Brazilian!" which later became the most famous phrase of the Marshal. Caxias rode leading the Allied army to victory, and his demonstration of courage motivated the troops for the conquest of this bridge. Caxias was never defeated. Caxias is the patron of Brazilian army. |
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Post by Windischer on Sept 14, 2019 18:10:56 GMT -5
After the Kingdom of Yugoslavia lost the war in april 1941, Slovenia was partitioned between Italy, Germany, Hungary and NDH Croatia. Our capital, Ljubljana, was in the Italian occupation zone. The resistance movement started to be organised very soon and beside armed resistance of the partisans, there was also a boicot of all cultural events. There was one last concert of the APZ (academic choir) in the famous hall of the Union Hotel in Ljubljana. Patriotic songs were of course forbidden, but at the end of the concert the choir sung "Lipa zelenela je", a song about a linden tree, which is an ancient symbol of the Slovene people. The singers risked their lives by performing this song and it came as a big shock to all the Italian fascists sitting in the front row, especially because the whole hall was standing for the whole duration of the song. The whole concert was recorded and by some miracle the track survived the war and was often aired on the radio after the liberation. It became a symbol of the resistance as it was the last song performed in a concert until 1945, if we exclude manifestations of the occupying forces and their collaborationists. The choir members faced repercussions from the Italians afterwards, but quite a few survived the war. If you listen to the song, you can feel the energy. I dare say it is the best performance of this song, even after all this time.
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Post by diddyriddick on Sept 15, 2019 14:20:23 GMT -5
Al Stewart is a folk singer who achieved the apex of his popularity in the 70s with such familiar songs as "The Year of the Cat" or "Time Passages." What makes Stewart unique was his passion for and embrace of history in his songwriting. Indeed, an entire LP (Past, Present and Future) was historical narrative.
A couple of examples.....
"Roads to Moscow" is told from the viewpoint of a Soviet Soldier in WWII facing the Nazi onslaught.
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"On the Border" tells the story of running guns to the Spanish Basques.
Though most famous for the song "Werewolves of London," Warren Zevon would take on historical topics on occasion.
Jim Croce changed pace from his usual lyrical contemporary songs to this version of Kipling's "Gunga Din."
Gordon Lightfoot immortalized the cargo Ship Edmund Fitzgerald in 1976.
Don McLean penned this well-known tune about Vincent Van Gough and his signature "Starry Night."
Though McLean played coy for years on the meaning of "American Pie," most critics agree that it was about the death of Buddy Holley and the subsequent evolution of western pop music.
And since all these songs are from the 70s, y'all can probably guess my age. Sue me!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2019 16:49:54 GMT -5
I couldn't afford the lawyers fees diddy and besides I would be bankrupt in short order if members were sued simply on the grounds of age. This is an example of Jacobite propaganda from the 1690's. The Haughs of Cromdale was a minor skirmish fought between the Jacobites and the English in which the former were well and truly routed, but somehow the songwriter turned it into an epic victory for the Jocks led by the Earl of Montrose who had been dead for fifty years at the time. Stirring stuff though.
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Post by diddyriddick on Sept 17, 2019 7:31:40 GMT -5
I couldn't afford the lawyers fees diddy and besides I would be bankrupt in short order if members were sued simply on the grounds of age. This is an example of Jacobite propaganda from the 1690's. The Haughs of Cromdale was a minor skirmish fought between the Jacobites and the English in which the former were well and truly routed, but somehow the songwriter turned it into an epic victory for the Jocks led by the Earl of Montrose who had been dead for fifty years at the time. Stirring stuff though. I love it! |
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Post by generalpl4gue on Sept 17, 2019 20:30:13 GMT -5
After the Kingdom of Yugoslavia lost the war in april 1941, Slovenia was partitioned between Italy, Germany, Hungary and NDH Croatia. Our capital, Ljubljana, was in the Italian occupation zone. The resistance movement started to be organised very soon and beside armed resistance of the partisans, there was also a boicot of all cultural events. There was one last concert of the APZ (academic choir) in the famous hall of the Union Hotel in Ljubljana. Patriotic songs were of course forbidden, but at the end of the concert the choir sung "Lipa zelenela je", a song about a linden tree, which is an ancient symbol of the Slovene people. The singers risked their lives by performing this song and it came as a big shock to all the Italian fascists sitting in the front row, especially because the whole hall was standing for the whole duration of the song. The whole concert was recorded and by some miracle the track survived the war and was often aired on the radio after the liberation. It became a symbol of the resistance as it was the last song performed in a concert until 1945, if we exclude manifestations of the occupying forces and their collaborationists. The choir members faced repercussions from the Italians afterwards, but quite a few survived the war. If you listen to the song, you can feel the energy. I dare say it is the best performance of this song, even after all this time. This song is beatiful! We can feel all the blend of emotions that emerged during the event. This song became a National Symbol or an anthem to Slovenia ? |
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Post by Windischer on Sept 18, 2019 12:58:51 GMT -5
This song is beatiful! We can feel all the blend of emotions that emerged during the event. This song became a National Symbol or an anthem to Slovenia ? It is a sort of symbol, yes, but it is not our anthem. |
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Post by generalpl4gue on Sept 18, 2019 15:39:32 GMT -5
This song is beatiful! We can feel all the blend of emotions that emerged during the event. This song became a National Symbol or an anthem to Slovenia ? It is a sort of symbol, yes, but it is not our anthem. I asked if it is an anthem because here in Brazil we have a lot of anthems. We have National Anthem, Independance anthem, Flag Anthem, Republican Anthem, Army Anthem. And I thought It probalby was some kind of anthem ! haha But i really like the idea of a song representing a national felling, like the song you showed to us, La marseillase, Sacred War, Fratelli d'Italia. I really enjoy it. |
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Post by generalpl4gue on Sept 18, 2019 16:02:00 GMT -5
During 1930's Brazil was under a proto-fascist dictatorship, ruled by Getulio Vargas, a populist guy that made a coupe to take the power from the legitimate president. This event is wrongly called "Liberal revolution of 1930". Getúlio ruled Brazil without a Constitution, having unbounded powers to do whatever he wanted. He was chocking the people liberty and nobody did nothing untill 1932. In 1932, São Paulo (most important economically and politically of Brazil) started many protests against Getúlio tiranny, and Getúlio forced the army to suppress the revolts and kill some Law Students that were leading the protest. In may 23 of 1932, Getúlio army killed Martins, miragaia, Drauzio and Camargo (M.M.D.C), Law Students, that were pacifically protesting against him. In this moment, São Paulo started to mannage a large uprising against Getúlio. São Paulo closed its Borders, Civilians massivelly joined São Paulo's army and started a fight agains the tiranny. Thei main demand was to create a new Constitution, to rule Getúlio and guarantee civilian liberties. São Paulo, in july 9 started a "constitutional war", as we call, fighting Brazilian forces to prevail the democracy and freedom. As we say, paulistas( who is from São Paulo) " it was the flare of the paulista soul". Almost every man in militar age joined in the São Paulo's army, as a fighter or helping indirectly. Womens were the main work force to produce our clother, guns and bullets. Children, sons of Apollo, used their agility to serve as correspondents in war fronts. We donated to our constitutional army almost a ton of gold, from our wedding bands, earrings and necklaces. We fought well. We lost the battle, but Getúlio did a Constituions, showing that we won the war.   This is our version of "We want you in the U.S Navy!". You can see the M.M.D.C pattern here. This music is a constitutional anthem. |
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Post by Windischer on Sept 18, 2019 16:39:23 GMT -5
It is a sort of symbol, yes, but it is not our anthem. I asked if it is an anthem because here in Brazil we have a lot of anthems. We have National Anthem, Independance anthem, Flag Anthem, Republican Anthem, Army Anthem. And I thought It probalby was some kind of anthem ! haha But i really like the idea of a song representing a national felling, like the song you showed to us, La marseillase, Sacred War, Fratelli d'Italia. I really enjoy it. Good thinking, you are right. Our army has an anthem of its own and there are several songs that we consider our unofficial anthems, so I guess this one could perhaps count as one of those, although nowadays it is sadly less known than a few decades ago. |
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